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== mwl-por tests ==
 
== mwl-por tests ==
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* {{transferTest|mwl|por|Ye un cacho cundensado|É a proporção condensada}} ("It is a condensed proportion.")
 
* {{transferTest|mwl|por|Ye un cacho cundensado|É a proporção condensada}} ("It is a condensed proportion.")
 
*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} un{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cacho{{tag|n}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cundensado{{tag|adj}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}}|é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} proporção{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} condensada{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}}
 
*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} un{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cacho{{tag|n}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cundensado{{tag|adj}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}}|é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} proporção{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} condensada{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}}
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== Preposition 1 to 2 mapping ==
 
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Some prepositions and determiners that are contracted in Mirandese are not contracted in Portuguese.
 
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* {{transferTest|mwl|por|Eisite la pasta cula lheite|Existe a massa com a leite}} ("The pasta with the milk exists.")
 
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*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|eisiste{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} la{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} pasta{{tag|n}}{{tag|mf}}{{tag|sg}} cun{{tag|pr}} la{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} lheite{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}|existe{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} a{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} massa{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} com{{tag|pr}} a{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} leite{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}}
 
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* {{transferTest|mwl|por|La lheite ye dua baca|A leite é dua vaca}} ("The milk is from a cow.")
 
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*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|la{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} de{{tag|pr}} una{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} baca{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}|a{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} leite{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} de{{tag|pr}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} vaca{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}}
 
  
 
== Pronoun order ==
 
== Pronoun order ==
  
 
For the simple future indicative and simple conditional, European Portuguese puts the pronoun inside the verb in between hyphens.
 
For the simple future indicative and simple conditional, European Portuguese puts the pronoun inside the verb in between hyphens.
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* {{transferTest|mwl|por|L falarie|Falá-lo-ia}} ("I would speak it.")
 
* {{transferTest|mwl|por|L falarie|Falá-lo-ia}} ("I would speak it.")

Revision as of 15:58, 18 April 2023

mwl-por tests

Adjective agreement

There are some adjectives that have different genders in Mirandese and Portuguese.

  • (mwl) Ye un nuoç nutritibo → (por) É uma noz nutritiva ("It is a nutritious nut.")
    (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> nuoç<n><m><sg> nutritibo<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> noz<n><f><sg> nutritiva<adj><f><sg>
  • (mwl) Ye un cacho buono → (por) É uma proporção boa ("It is a good proportion.")
    (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> cacho<n><m><sg> buono<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> proporção<n><f><sg> boa<adj><f><sg>

Determiner agreement

Because some adjectives have different genders, some determiners will not match their gender.

  • (mwl) Ye un nuoç chinés → (por) É uma noz chinesa ("It is a Chinese nut.")
    (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> l<det><ind><m><sg> nuoç<n><m><sg> chinés<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> noz<n><f><sg> chinesa<adj><f><sg>
  • (mwl) Ye un cacho cundensado → (por) É a proporção condensada ("It is a condensed proportion.")
    (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> cacho<n><m><sg> cundensado<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> proporção<n><f><sg> condensada<adj><f><sg>

Pronoun order

For the simple future indicative and simple conditional, European Portuguese puts the pronoun inside the verb in between hyphens.

  • (mwl) L falarie → (por) Falá-lo-ia ("I would speak it.")
    (mwl) l<prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj> falarie<vblex><cni><p1><sg> → (por) fazer<vblex>+o<prn><enc><p3><nt>+ar<cuavb><cni><p3><sg>
  • (mwl) L deberie falar → (por) Devê-lo-ia falar ("He should speak it.")
    (mwl) l<prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj> deberie<vblex><cni><p1><sg> falar<vblex><inf> → (por) dever<vblex>+o<prn><enc><p3><nt>+ar<cuavb><cni><p3><sg> falar<vblex><inf>

Pronoun-verb agreement

The formal pronoun in Mirandese is second person plural in form while the corresponding European Portuguese one is third person singular in form.

Something looks wrong with "deveriam<vblex>" -JNW

  • (mwl) Bós falais → (por) Você fala ("You (formal) speak.")
    (mwl) bós<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> falais<vblex><pri><p2><pl> → (por) você<prn><tn><p3><mf><sg> fala<vblex><pri><p3><sg>
  • (mwl) Bós nun deberiedes falar → (por) Vocês não deveriam falar ("You all (formal) should not speak.")
    (mwl) bós<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> nun<adv> deberiedes<vblex><cni><p2><pl> falar<vblex><inf> → (por) vocês<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> não<adv> deveriam<vblex><cni><p3><pl> falar<vblex><inf>
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