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1. For clauses with transitive verbs, in Japhug the object generally precedes the verb (and follows the subject). In English however the object follows the verb.
 
1. For clauses with transitive verbs, in Japhug the object generally precedes the verb (and follows the subject). In English however the object follows the verb.
 
   
 
   
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|βzaŋsa tonɯpandʑi.|(They) made friends (with each other).}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|βzaŋsa tonɯpandʑi.|(They) made friends (with each other).}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|βzaŋsa{{tag|n}}{{tag|ind}} tonɯpandʑi{{tag|v}}{{tag|du}}|They{{tag|prn}}{{tag|sbj}}{{tag|pl}} made{{tag|vblex}} friends{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|βzaŋsa{{tag|n}}{{tag|ind}} tonɯpa{{tag|v}}{{tag|du}}|They{{tag|prn}}{{tag|sbj}}{{tag|pl}} make{{tag|vblex}} friend{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}}}}
  
 
(Note: Japhug intransitive verbs require an object but not a subject, unlike in English.)
 
(Note: Japhug intransitive verbs require an object but not a subject, unlike in English.)
  
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* {{transferTest|jya|eng|kɯkɯra xuexiao ɲɯrganɯ.|Those (the children) like school.}}
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* {{transferTest|jya|eng|kɯkɯra xuexiao ɲɯrganɯ.|These (the children) like school.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|kɯkɯra{{tag|dem}}{{tag|prox}}{{tag|pl}} xuexiao{{tag|n}}{{tag|ind}} ɲɯrganɯ{{tag|v}}{{tag|sens}}{{tag|pl}}|These{{tag|dem}}{{tag|prox}}{{tag|pl}} like{{tag|vblex}} school{{tag|n}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|kɯkɯra{{tag|dem}}{{tag|prox}}{{tag|pl}} xuexiao{{tag|n}}{{tag|ind}} rga{{tag|v}}{{tag|sens}}{{tag|pl}}|These{{tag|dem}}{{tag|prox}}{{tag|pl}} like{{tag|vblex}} school{{tag|n}}}}
  
  
 
2. Japhug generally uses postpositions to express relative position (i.e., locative postpositions zɯ, tɕu and ri), whereas English uses prepositions.
 
2. Japhug generally uses postpositions to express relative position (i.e., locative postpositions zɯ, tɕu and ri), whereas English uses prepositions.
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{{comment|no need for subcategory tags on your postpositions, just like English doesn't have them for prepositions.  Just use <tag>post</tag>. -JNW}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|jonɯɕe tɕe, tʂu tɕu ɲɤmtsɯr.|They went, and on the road they were hungry.}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|jonɯɕe tɕe, tʂu tɕu ɲɤmtsɯr.|They went, and on the road they were hungry.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|jonɯɕe{{tag|v}}{{tag|ifr}}{{tag|auto}} tɕe{{tag|lnk}}, tʂu{{tag|n}} tɕu{{tag|post}}{{tag|loc}} ɲɤmtsɯr{{tag|v}}{{tag|ifr}}|They{{tag|prn}}{{tag|sbj}} went{{tag|vblex}}, and{{tag|lnk}} on{{tag|pr}}{{tag|loc}} the{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}} road{{tag|n}} they{{tag|prn}}{{tag|sbj}} were{{tag|aux}}{{tag|past}} hungry{{tag|vblex}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|ɕe{{tag|v}}{{tag|ifr}}{{tag|auto}} tɕe{{tag|lnk}}, tʂu{{tag|n}} tɕu{{tag|post}} mtsɯr{{tag|v}}{{tag|ifr}}|They{{tag|prn}}{{tag|sbj}} go{{tag|vblex}}, and{{tag|lnk}} on{{tag|pr}} the{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}} road{{tag|n}} they{{tag|prn}}{{tag|sbj}} be{{tag|aux}}{{tag|past}}{{tag|pl}} hungry{{tag|vblex}}}}
  
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|ambro ɯjme zɯ kɤzo.|Land on my horse's tail.}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|ambro ɯjme zɯ kɤzo.|Land on my horse's tail.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|ambro{{tag|n}}{{tag|px1sg}} ɯjme{{tag|n}}{{tag|px3sg}} zɯ{{tag|post}}{{tag|loc}} kɤzo{{tag|v}}{{tag|imp}}|Land{{tag|vblex}} on{{tag|pr}}{{tag|loc}} my{{tag|adv}} horse's{{tag|n}}{{tag|poss}} tail{{tag|n}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|mbro{{tag|n}}{{tag|px1sg}} jme{{tag|n}}{{tag|px3sg}} zɯ{{tag|post}} zo{{tag|v}}{{tag|imp}}|Land{{tag|vblex}} on{{tag|pr}} my{{tag|adv}} horse{{tag|n}}{{tag|poss}} tail{{tag|n}}}}
  
 
3. Japhug expresses negation by a prefix on the verb, where English requires an adverb like "not" (and often an auxiliary verb like "did").
 
3. Japhug expresses negation by a prefix on the verb, where English requires an adverb like "not" (and often an auxiliary verb like "did").
  
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|aʑo mɯpɯrɤʑia.|I was not present.}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|aʑo mɯpɯrɤʑia.|I was not present.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|aʑo{{tag|prn}}{{tag|1sg}} mɯpɯrɤʑia{{tag|v}}{{tag|neg}}{{tag|pst}}|I{{tag|prn}}{{tag|1sg}} was{{tag|aux}}{{tag|pst}} not{{tag|adv}}{{tag|neg}} present{{tag|vblex}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|aʑo{{tag|prn}}{{tag|1sg}} rɤʑi{{tag|v}}{{tag|neg}}{{tag|pst}}{{tag|1sg}}|I{{tag|prn}}{{tag|1sg}} be{{tag|aux}}{{tag|pst}} not{{tag|adv}}{{tag|neg}} present{{tag|vblex}}}}
  
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* {{transferTest|jya|eng|khramba kɤβzu mɤpe.|Telling lies is bad.}}
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* {{transferTest|jya|eng|khramba kɤβzu mɤpe.|Telling lies is not good.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|khramba{{tag|n}} kɤβzu{{tag|v}}{{tag|inf}} mɤpe{{tag|v}}{{tag|neg}}|Telling{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|ipfv}} lies{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}} is{{tag|v}} bad{{tag|adj}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|khramba{{tag|n}} βzu{{tag|v}}{{tag|inf}} pe{{tag|v}}{{tag|neg}}|Telli{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|ipfv}} lie{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}} be{{tag|v}} not{{tag|adv}} good{{tag|adj}}}}
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{{comment|Where's negation in this second example? -JNW }}
  
 
4. The Japhug causative prefix on verbs would generally require a complementary clause with a verb like "made" on the "original" subject of the verb (i.e., the agent being "caused" to perform the action described by the verb).
 
4. The Japhug causative prefix on verbs would generally require a complementary clause with a verb like "made" on the "original" subject of the verb (i.e., the agent being "caused" to perform the action described by the verb).
  
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|ɯʑo kɯ nɤʑo pɯ́wɣsɯmtoa.|They caused me to see you.}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|ɯʑo kɯ nɤʑo pɯ́wɣsɯmtoa.|They caused me to see you.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|ɯʑo{{tag|prn}}{{tag|3sg}} kɯ{{tag|post}}{{tag|erg}} nɤʑo{{tag|prn}}{{tag|2sg}} pɯ́wɣsɯmtoa{{tag|v}}{{tag|ipfv}}{{tag|inv}}{{tag|caus}}{{tag|1sg}}|He{{tag|prn}}{{tag|3sg}} caused{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pst}} me{{tag|prn}}{{tag|1sg}}{{tag|obj}} to{{tag|aux}} see{{tag|vblex}} you{{tag|prn}}{{tag|2sg}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|ɯʑo{{tag|prn}}{{tag|3sg}} kɯ{{tag|post}}{{tag|erg}} nɤʑo{{tag|prn}}{{tag|2sg}} mto{{tag|v}}{{tag|ipfv}}{{tag|inv}}{{tag|caus}}{{tag|1sg}}|He{{tag|prn}}{{tag|3sg}} cause{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pst}} me{{tag|prn}}{{tag|1sg}}{{tag|obj}} to{{tag|aux}} see{{tag|vblex}} you{{tag|prn}}{{tag|2sg}}}}
  
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* {{transferTest|jya|eng|tɤʑɣɤɕɯfka.|Eat your fill!}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|fka{{tag|v}}{{tag|iv}}{{tag|imp}}{{tag|refl}}{{tag|caus}}|Eat{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|inf}} your{{tag|det}}{{tag|pos}}{{tag|sp}} fill{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|inf}}}}
  
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{{comment|Is this "eat until you're full" or "eat your fill"? -JNW}}
  
 
5. Japhug verbs can take dual (-ndʑi) and plural (-nɯ) indexation suffixes, that can take the place of second or third person dual/plural pronouns as the object of the verb. E.g., a clause can consist of an intransitive verb alone, with a dual prefix in place of its argument. However it doesn't always do this, it can simply be an agreement with the object(s).
 
5. Japhug verbs can take dual (-ndʑi) and plural (-nɯ) indexation suffixes, that can take the place of second or third person dual/plural pronouns as the object of the verb. E.g., a clause can consist of an intransitive verb alone, with a dual prefix in place of its argument. However it doesn't always do this, it can simply be an agreement with the object(s).
  
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|ɕɤrɯ nɯ ʁnɯtɤrtsɯɣ toβzundʑi tɕe.|They made two piles from the bones.}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|ɕɤrɯ nɯ ʁnɯtɤrtsɯɣ toβzundʑi tɕe.|They made two piles from the bones.}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|ɕɤrɯ{{tag|n}} nɯ{{tag|dem}} ʁnɯtɤrtsɯɣ{{tag|n}} toβzundʑi{{tag|v}}{{tag|ifr}}{{tag|du}} tɕe{{tag|lnk}}|They{{tag|prn}}{{tag|pl}} made{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pst}} two{{tag|adj}} piles{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}} from{{tag|pr}} the{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}} bones{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}}}}
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: {{transferMorphTest|jya|eng|ɕɤrɯ{{tag|n}} nɯ{{tag|dem}} ʁnɯtɤrtsɯɣ{{tag|n}} βzu{{tag|v}}{{tag|ifr}}{{tag|du}} tɕe{{tag|lnk}}|They{{tag|prn}}{{tag|pl}} make{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pst}} two{{tag|adj}} pile{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}} from{{tag|pr}} the{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}} bone{{tag|n}}{{tag|pl}}}}
  
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|maka ɯtaʁ mɯpjɤpenɯ.|They were not good to him.}}
 
* {{transferTest|jya|eng|maka ɯtaʁ mɯpjɤpenɯ.|They were not good to him.}}

Latest revision as of 18:03, 4 May 2023

all transferMorphTests should include lemmas with the tags, not full forms -JNW

1. For clauses with transitive verbs, in Japhug the object generally precedes the verb (and follows the subject). In English however the object follows the verb.

  • (jya) βzaŋsa tonɯpandʑi. → (eng) (They) made friends (with each other).
(jya) βzaŋsa<n><ind> tonɯpa<v><du> → (eng) They<prn><sbj><pl> make<vblex> friend<n><pl>

(Note: Japhug intransitive verbs require an object but not a subject, unlike in English.)

  • (jya) kɯkɯra xuexiao ɲɯrganɯ. → (eng) These (the children) like school.
(jya) kɯkɯra<dem><prox><pl> xuexiao<n><ind> rga<v><sens><pl> → (eng) These<dem><prox><pl> like<vblex> school<n>


2. Japhug generally uses postpositions to express relative position (i.e., locative postpositions zɯ, tɕu and ri), whereas English uses prepositions.

no need for subcategory tags on your postpositions, just like English doesn't have them for prepositions. Just use <tag>post</tag>. -JNW

  • (jya) jonɯɕe tɕe, tʂu tɕu ɲɤmtsɯr. → (eng) They went, and on the road they were hungry.
(jya) ɕe<v><ifr><auto> tɕe<lnk>, tʂu<n> tɕu<post> mtsɯr<v><ifr> → (eng) They<prn><sbj> go<vblex>, and<lnk> on<pr> the<det><def> road<n> they<prn><sbj> be<aux><past><pl> hungry<vblex>
  • (jya) ambro ɯjme zɯ kɤzo. → (eng) Land on my horse's tail.
(jya) mbro<n><px1sg> jme<n><px3sg> zɯ<post> zo<v><imp> → (eng) Land<vblex> on<pr> my<adv> horse<n><poss> tail<n>

3. Japhug expresses negation by a prefix on the verb, where English requires an adverb like "not" (and often an auxiliary verb like "did").

  • (jya) aʑo mɯpɯrɤʑia. → (eng) I was not present.
(jya) aʑo<prn><1sg> rɤʑi<v><neg><pst><1sg> → (eng) I<prn><1sg> be<aux><pst> not<adv><neg> present<vblex>
  • (jya) khramba kɤβzu mɤpe. → (eng) Telling lies is not good.
(jya) khramba<n> βzu<v><inf> pe<v><neg> → (eng) Telli<vblex><ipfv> lie<n><pl> be<v> not<adv> good<adj>

Where's negation in this second example? -JNW

4. The Japhug causative prefix on verbs would generally require a complementary clause with a verb like "made" on the "original" subject of the verb (i.e., the agent being "caused" to perform the action described by the verb).

  • (jya) ɯʑo kɯ nɤʑo pɯ́wɣsɯmtoa. → (eng) They caused me to see you.
(jya) ɯʑo<prn><3sg> kɯ<post><erg> nɤʑo<prn><2sg> mto<v><ipfv><inv><caus><1sg> → (eng) He<prn><3sg> cause<vblex><pst> me<prn><1sg><obj> to<aux> see<vblex> you<prn><2sg>
  • (jya) tɤʑɣɤɕɯfka. → (eng) Eat your fill!
(jya) fka<v><iv><imp><refl><caus> → (eng) Eat<vblex><inf> your<det><pos><sp> fill<vblex><inf>

Is this "eat until you're full" or "eat your fill"? -JNW

5. Japhug verbs can take dual (-ndʑi) and plural (-nɯ) indexation suffixes, that can take the place of second or third person dual/plural pronouns as the object of the verb. E.g., a clause can consist of an intransitive verb alone, with a dual prefix in place of its argument. However it doesn't always do this, it can simply be an agreement with the object(s).

  • (jya) ɕɤrɯ nɯ ʁnɯtɤrtsɯɣ toβzundʑi tɕe. → (eng) They made two piles from the bones.
(jya) ɕɤrɯ<n> nɯ<dem> ʁnɯtɤrtsɯɣ<n> βzu<v><ifr><du> tɕe<lnk> → (eng) They<prn><pl> make<vblex><pst> two<adj> pile<n><pl> from<pr> the<det><def> bone<n><pl>
  • (jya) maka ɯtaʁ mɯpjɤpenɯ. → (eng) They were not good to him.
(jya) maka<adv> ɯtaʁ<n><px3sg> mɯpjɤpenɯ<v><neg><ipfv><ifr><pl> → (eng) They<prn><pl> were<aux><pst> not<adv> good<adj> to<pr> him<prn><3sg>
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