Difference between revisions of "Mirandese and Portuguese/Contrastive Grammar"

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Could you write short explanations of each issue? -JNW

Could you use real section headings, with e.g. ===, instead of bolded text? -JNW

There are some adjectives that have different genders in Mirandese and Portuguese.

(mwl) Ye un nuoç nutritibo → (por) É uma noz nutritiva ("It is a nutritious nut.")
(mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> nuoç<n><m><sg> nutritibo<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> noz<n><f><sg> nutritiva<adj><f><sg>

(mwl) Ye un cacho buono → (por) É uma proporção boa ("It is a good proportion.")
(mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> cacho<n><m><sg> buono<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> proporção<n><f><sg> boa<adj><f><sg>

Because some adjectives have different genders, some determiners will not match their gender.

(mwl) Ye un nuoç chinés → (por) É uma noz chinesa ("It is a Chinese nut.")
(mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> l<det><ind><m><sg> nuoç<n><m><sg> chinés<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> noz<n><f><sg> chinesa<adj><f><sg>

(mwl) Ye un cacho cundensado → (por) É a proporção condensada ("It is a condensed proportion.")
(mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> cacho<n><m><sg> cundensado<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> proporção<n><f><sg> condensada<adj><f><sg>

Some prepositions and determiners that are contracted in Mirandese are not contracted in Portuguese.

Are either of these examples actually problems? -JNW

(mwl) Eisite la pasta cula lheite → (por) Existe a massa com a leite ("The pasta with the milk exists.")
(mwl) eisiste<vblex><pri><p3><sg> la<det><def><f><sg> pasta<n><mf><sg> cun<pr> la<det><def><f><sg> lheite<n><f><sg> → (por) existe<vblex><pri><p3><sg> a<det><def><f><sg> massa<n><f><sg> com<pr> a<det><def><f><sg> leite<n><f><sg>

(mwl) La lheite ye dua baca → (por) A leite é dua vaca ("The milk is from a cow.")
(mwl) la<det><def><f><sg> ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> de<pr> una<det><ind><f><sg> baca<n><f><sg> → (por) a<det><def><f><sg> leite<adj><f><sg> é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> de<pr> uma<det><ind><f><sg> vaca<n><f><sg>

For the simple future indicative and simple conditional, European Portuguese puts the pronoun inside the verb in between hyphens.

Something's wrong with the "o-<guio>" part -JNW

(mwl) L falarie → (por) Falá-lo-ia ("I would speak it.")
(mwl) l<prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj> falarie<vblex><cni><p1><sg> → (por) falá-<guio>o-<guio><prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj>ia<vblex><pii><p1><sg>

(mwl) L deberie falar → (por) Devê-lo-ia fazer ("He should speak it.")
(mwl) l<prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj> deberie<vblex><cni><p1><sg> falar<vblex><inf> → (por) devê-<guio>o-<guio><prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj>ia<vblex><pii><p1><sg> falar<vblex><inf>

The formal pronoun in Mirandese is second person plural in form while the corresponding European Portuguese one is third person singular in form.

Something looks wrong with "deveriam<vblex>" -JNW

(mwl) Bós falais → (por) Você fala ("You (formal) speak.")
(mwl) bós<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> falais<vblex><pri><p2><pl> → (por) você<prn><tn><p3><mf><sg> fala<vblex><pri><p3><sg>

(mwl) Bós nun deberiedes falar → (por) Vocês não deveriam falar ("You all (formal) should not speak.")
(mwl) bós<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> nun<adv> deberiedes<vblex><cni><p2><pl> falar<vblex><inf> → (por) vocês<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> não<adv> deveriam<vblex><cni><p3><pl> falar<vblex><inf>

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 == Preposition 1 to 2 mapping ==
-Some prepositions and determiners that are contracted in Mirandese, are not contracted in Portuguese.
+Some prepositions and determiners that are contracted in Mirandese are not contracted in Portuguese.
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