Difference between revisions of "Mirandese and Portuguese/Contrastive Grammar"
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| − | + | == Adjective agreement == | |
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| + | There are some adjectives that have different genders in Mirandese and Portuguese. | ||
* {{transferTest|mwl|por|Ye un nuoç nutritibo|É uma noz nutritiva}} ("It is a nutritious nut.") | * {{transferTest|mwl|por|Ye un nuoç nutritibo|É uma noz nutritiva}} ("It is a nutritious nut.") | ||
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*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} un{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cacho{{tag|n}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} buono{{tag|adj}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}}|é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} proporção{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} boa{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}} | *: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} un{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cacho{{tag|n}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} buono{{tag|adj}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}}|é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} proporção{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} boa{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}} | ||
| − | + | == Determiner agreement == | |
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| + | Because some adjectives have different genders, some determiners will not match their gender. | ||
* {{transferTest|mwl|por|Ye un nuoç chinés|É uma noz chinesa}} ("It is a Chinese nut.") | * {{transferTest|mwl|por|Ye un nuoç chinés|É uma noz chinesa}} ("It is a Chinese nut.") | ||
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*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} un{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cacho{{tag|n}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cundensado{{tag|adj}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}}|é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} proporção{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} condensada{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}} | *: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} un{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cacho{{tag|n}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}} cundensado{{tag|adj}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|sg}}|é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} proporção{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} condensada{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}} | ||
| − | + | == Preposition 1 to 2 mapping == | |
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| + | Some prepositions and determiners that are contracted in Mirandese, are not contracted in Portuguese. | ||
{{comment|Are either of these examples actually problems? -JNW}} | {{comment|Are either of these examples actually problems? -JNW}} | ||
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*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|la{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} de{{tag|pr}} una{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} baca{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}|a{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} leite{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} de{{tag|pr}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} vaca{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}} | *: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|la{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} ye{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} de{{tag|pr}} una{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} baca{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}|a{{tag|det}}{{tag|def}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} leite{{tag|adj}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} é{{tag|vbser}}{{tag|pri}}{{tag|p3}}{{tag|sg}} de{{tag|pr}} uma{{tag|det}}{{tag|ind}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}} vaca{{tag|n}}{{tag|f}}{{tag|sg}}}} | ||
| − | + | == Pronoun order == | |
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| + | For the simple future indicative and simple conditional, European Portuguese puts the pronoun inside the verb in between hyphens. | ||
{{comment|Something's wrong with the "o-{{tag|guio}}" part -JNW}} | {{comment|Something's wrong with the "o-{{tag|guio}}" part -JNW}} | ||
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*: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|l{{tag|prn}}{{tag|pers}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}}{{tag|obj}} deberie{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|cni}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}} falar{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|inf}}|devê-{{tag|guio}}o-{{tag|guio}}{{tag|prn}}{{tag|pers}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}}{{tag|obj}}ia{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pii}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}} falar{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|inf}}}} | *: {{transferMorphTest|mwl|por|l{{tag|prn}}{{tag|pers}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}}{{tag|obj}} deberie{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|cni}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}} falar{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|inf}}|devê-{{tag|guio}}o-{{tag|guio}}{{tag|prn}}{{tag|pers}}{{tag|m}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}}{{tag|obj}}ia{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|pii}}{{tag|p1}}{{tag|sg}} falar{{tag|vblex}}{{tag|inf}}}} | ||
| − | + | == Pronoun-verb agreement == | |
| + | |||
| + | The formal pronoun in Mirandese is second person plural in form while the corresponding European Portuguese one is third person singular in form. | ||
{{comment|Something looks wrong with "deveriam{{tag|vblex}}" -JNW}} | {{comment|Something looks wrong with "deveriam{{tag|vblex}}" -JNW}} | ||
Revision as of 15:14, 18 April 2023
Contents
mwl-por tests
Could you write short explanations of each issue? -JNW
Could you use real section headings, with e.g. ===, instead of bolded text? -JNW
Adjective agreement
There are some adjectives that have different genders in Mirandese and Portuguese.
- (mwl) Ye un nuoç nutritibo → (por) É uma noz nutritiva ("It is a nutritious nut.")
- (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> nuoç<n><m><sg> nutritibo<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> noz<n><f><sg> nutritiva<adj><f><sg>
- (mwl) Ye un cacho buono → (por) É uma proporção boa ("It is a good proportion.")
- (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> cacho<n><m><sg> buono<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> proporção<n><f><sg> boa<adj><f><sg>
Determiner agreement
Because some adjectives have different genders, some determiners will not match their gender.
- (mwl) Ye un nuoç chinés → (por) É uma noz chinesa ("It is a Chinese nut.")
- (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> l<det><ind><m><sg> nuoç<n><m><sg> chinés<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> noz<n><f><sg> chinesa<adj><f><sg>
- (mwl) Ye un cacho cundensado → (por) É a proporção condensada ("It is a condensed proportion.")
- (mwl) ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> un<det><ind><m><sg> cacho<n><m><sg> cundensado<adj><m><sg> → (por) é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> uma<det><ind><f><sg> proporção<n><f><sg> condensada<adj><f><sg>
Preposition 1 to 2 mapping
Some prepositions and determiners that are contracted in Mirandese, are not contracted in Portuguese.
Are either of these examples actually problems? -JNW
- (mwl) Eisite la pasta cula lheite → (por) Existe a massa com a leite ("The pasta with the milk exists.")
- (mwl) eisiste<vblex><pri><p3><sg> la<det><def><f><sg> pasta<n><mf><sg> cun<pr> la<det><def><f><sg> lheite<n><f><sg> → (por) existe<vblex><pri><p3><sg> a<det><def><f><sg> massa<n><f><sg> com<pr> a<det><def><f><sg> leite<n><f><sg>
- (mwl) La lheite ye dua baca → (por) A leite é dua vaca ("The milk is from a cow.")
- (mwl) la<det><def><f><sg> ye<vbser><pri><p3><sg> de<pr> una<det><ind><f><sg> baca<n><f><sg> → (por) a<det><def><f><sg> leite<adj><f><sg> é<vbser><pri><p3><sg> de<pr> uma<det><ind><f><sg> vaca<n><f><sg>
Pronoun order
For the simple future indicative and simple conditional, European Portuguese puts the pronoun inside the verb in between hyphens.
Something's wrong with the "o-<guio>" part -JNW
- (mwl) L falarie → (por) Falá-lo-ia ("I would speak it.")
- (mwl) l<prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj> falarie<vblex><cni><p1><sg> → (por) falá-<guio>o-<guio><prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj>ia<vblex><pii><p1><sg>
- (mwl) L deberie falar → (por) Devê-lo-ia fazer ("He should speak it.")
- (mwl) l<prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj> deberie<vblex><cni><p1><sg> falar<vblex><inf> → (por) devê-<guio>o-<guio><prn><pers><m><p1><sg><obj>ia<vblex><pii><p1><sg> falar<vblex><inf>
Pronoun-verb agreement
The formal pronoun in Mirandese is second person plural in form while the corresponding European Portuguese one is third person singular in form.
Something looks wrong with "deveriam<vblex>" -JNW
- (mwl) Bós falais → (por) Você fala ("You (formal) speak.")
- (mwl) bós<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> falais<vblex><pri><p2><pl> → (por) você<prn><tn><p3><mf><sg> fala<vblex><pri><p3><sg>
- (mwl) Bós nun deberiedes falar → (por) Vocês não deveriam falar ("You all (formal) should not speak.")
- (mwl) bós<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> nun<adv> deberiedes<vblex><cni><p2><pl> falar<vblex><inf> → (por) vocês<prn><pers><p2><pl><subj> não<adv> deveriam<vblex><cni><p3><pl> falar<vblex><inf>
